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Post by libertarian on May 27, 2013 15:13:43 GMT -5
Didn't Savage once make a model 24 with a .357 barrel over a 20 guage barrel ? I never see one for sale anywhere......
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Post by bigkelly on May 27, 2013 16:56:47 GMT -5
Yes and they're available --just check out Gun Broker
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Post by sidewinder on May 28, 2013 0:56:30 GMT -5
Big Kelly,... I know if anyone can tell me... you probably can, as I'm sure you've checked it out! Will a .357 Mag/20 Ga. barrel set fit a 24V in .30-30/20 or .222/20? I know they made some of them in the short 24C... I think they did(?)... so will the .357 Mag/20Ga fit my 24C Series S receiver/frame? Any other models you've tried it on that fits? I've got an extra set of .410/.410 new old stock barrel sets I'd trade for a .357/20 barrel set, if I had a frame that they would fit. ???
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Post by bigkelly on May 28, 2013 6:20:31 GMT -5
I think all the "V" series barrels interchange
the rifle firing pin on my 24 V-A 222/20 hits high on the primer when I put a different barrel on but it still fires
I don't think any center fire barrel will interchange with a rim fire model 24
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Post by petemi on May 28, 2013 7:52:41 GMT -5
The 24V, D .357/20 may be tough to find. It only took me about five years to find the right one.....it's now a Maximum.
Pete
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Post by sidewinder on May 28, 2013 12:24:01 GMT -5
Is the twist the same on the .357Mag and the 357maximum? Also, how can a person tell if the 357 Maximum was built as such, or if it was a 357 Magnum that was reamed out to be a 357 Maximum? Maybe I'm answering my own question... but, I would think the barrel markings would indicate which it was manufactured as. What are the down sides, if any, to drilling a 357 Mag to a 357 Max? I'm interested because I'm looking for either a 357Mag or 357Max barrel set. Thanks.
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Post by sidewinder on May 28, 2013 12:33:14 GMT -5
Big Kelly, have you put a .357/20 barrel set on a frame/receiver that was manufactured for a .30-30 or .222? Also, are all .357 barrel sets 20" long instead of 24" long? As you can see, I've got the hots for a .357 barrel set... if it'll fit the frame on my .30-30/20 or my .222/20. Hope all is well down in the "Sunshine State".
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Post by bigkelly on May 28, 2013 14:00:23 GMT -5
Yes I shoot my 357 max off a 30-30 reciever and I've shoot it off a 222 and 223 gun reciever
Gettin hot here HALLALUAH SNOW BIRDS GO HOME !!!
As for barrel length I don't know the answer--my max barrel is 24"
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Post by bduff1212 on May 28, 2013 18:25:35 GMT -5
I am trying to mount a scope on my savage 24vs can anyone help
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Post by petemi on May 29, 2013 6:02:31 GMT -5
If you decide to ream a magnum to maximum, be certain it is done with a rifle reamer and not a pistol reamer to get a proper leade and throat. The proper reamer is available for rent for 25 dollars on the GBO H&R Forum FAQ sticky. www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php/topic,26264.0.html Pete |
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Post by sidewinder on Jun 2, 2013 23:11:13 GMT -5
Hi Petemi, or anyone that has reamed a .357 Mag to a .357 Max. A couple of questions:
1. Does this devalue the gun?
2. Is the original barrel markings struck out and re-stamped?
3. If I'm checking out a .357 Max, that I suspect may have left the factory as a .357 Mag, how do I confirm this visually, or otherwise?
4. Generally speaking, is there enough of a performance improvement to justify modifying the .357 Mag to a .357 Max?
5. On the "factory" barrels, is the barrel twist the same on the .357 Mag and .357 Max?
6. Were you able to document the "before and after" performance of the gun?
7. Are you happy with the modification, in other words, would you recommend it for others?
Thanks for your truthful input about this.
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Post by petemi on Jun 3, 2013 9:41:58 GMT -5
Wow Sidewinder, I'm gonna try. First, all my experience is with Handi Rifles.
1. No, with the Handi it increases value.
2. Yes, usually. In the case of the Maximum, it still shoots mags just fine and nobody will get hurt if it is not done.
3. Unless the barrel stamp has been changed, I don't know if you could.
4. Yes, with the Handi's it results in a better leade and throat and improves accuracy with .38s and mags.
5. I'm not sure about the Savage 24, but the Handi is usually 1 in 18.75. It could also be one in 15.5 in a Mag
6. No, not really. It shot MOA before and after reaming. Although I'd say accuracy improved with .38s and .357s.
7. I don't recommend reaming to Max. I ENCOURAGE it. You can't go wrong. For 25 bucks you have another rifle....actually two because it will shoot .360 Dan Wesson also.
Your questions were very well thought out. I hope my answers are as good.
My 16.5 inch Handi Maxi is my go to rifle for just about anything that shows up on the farm. My grandson can bust jugs to his hearts content with .38 cast bullet reloads for about the same price as shooting rimfires. I can hunt everything from red squirrel to bear with it. (It wouldn't be my first choice for bear) My Savage 24 Maxi over 20 is going to be even more versatile when it comes home. It's being reamed to maxi, cut to 18 inches and threaded for chokes.
If there are brass, bullet or ammo shortages, you still have the option of 3 other calibers. My wife and I hate the Maxis so much we only have three.....at the moment. There may be more to come.
For the Maxi, I load a lot of Hornady 180 gr. Single Shot Pistol bullets at 2150 fps. as well as 158 Gr. XTPs at 2250. I also load .38s for playing around 7-800 fps. It's a lot of fun in one package. DO IT!!!!
Pete
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Post by odell23 on Jun 3, 2013 12:20:31 GMT -5
Big Kelly, have you put a .357/20 barrel set on a frame/receiver that was manufactured for a .30-30 or .222? Also, are all .357 barrel sets 20" long instead of 24" long? As you can see, I've got the hots for a .357 barrel set... if it'll fit the frame on my .30-30/20 or my .222/20. Hope all is well down in the "Sunshine State". Sidewinder, All of the 24V Models came with 24" barrels. The 24V was only chambered in .222/20. The 24V-A, 24V Series B, and 24V Series C were only ever chambered in either .222 or .30-30 over 20. The 24V Series D is where we see chamberings in .22 hornet, .222 Rem, .223 Rem, .30-30 Win, .357 S&W Mag, & .357 Rem Max. The Model 24VS Survival guns (1983-84) were the only centerfires with 20" barrels and only chambered in .357 S&W Mag or .357 Rem Max over 20. The gun itself was 24V Series D but had the barrels shortened, satin nickel finish, oil rubbed stock and forend, and came with the pistol grip accessory. bigkelly would know better than I about interchangeability between series types, but all of the 24V Series D guns (including the 24VS) should be able to swap barrels with some minor fitting. I do know that centerfire to rimfire or vice versa is all but impossible without significant modification. |
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Post by sidewinder on Jun 3, 2013 13:46:39 GMT -5
Petemi & Odell23,
Thanks guys, for all of the information. It has been very helpful...albeit raised my fever temperature for a .357 Mag/Max a few degrees! Petemi, like you, I am a re-loader, so I give a lot of credence to what you're saying about modifying the .357Mag to .357Max. Have you done any testing out to a couple of hundred yards? What I'm driving at is to determine the max range for the rounds on a whitetail deer.
Odell23, I appreciate your exhaustive search to find out everything you can about these mysterious...as in wonderful, guns. After reading a post that you have made, I usually grab my note pad and copy the new information down. Hope you don't mind... I'll still buy the book!
You're right about Big Kelly... he's the switcharoo expert on the Savage 24! Based on his revelation that a Savage 242 .410/.410 over under barrel set would work on a Savage 24V chambered in .30-30, I bought a couple of "old new stock". I had to do a little trimming on the barrel lug, but it works fine. Thank you Big Kelly! I have the second "new old stock" barrel set for trade toward a .357 Mag/Max. It's never been installed, never been fired. So, if anyone has an extra .357 Mag barrel set that they would like to work a "horse trade' on for my "new old stock", unfired, .410/.410 over under barrel, let's talk!
I've only mentioned three people that contribute and share their knowledge of these fabulous guns, but there are many more. Thanks to everyone for informing the rest of us uninformed slugs, about the specifics about these guns. And many thanks to the people that offer us this site/forum, in order to get that information to many who have questions. Bravo to all of you! I really enjoy the site. Thank you.
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Post by petemi on Jun 3, 2013 14:31:32 GMT -5
I can't help you much on the whitetail question beyond 200 yards. That's what I would limit it to. It is accurate and can be easily sighted in to 300, but I question if sufficient energy would be left. I have better 300 plus yard deer rifles. I have killed them at close to 400 with a Ruger .308 set up for that kind of work. My Maxi's aren't. In fact, I haven't hunted deer with them at all. I have too many rifles in line ahead of them and too few tags. I do believe that they are more than adequate for deer to at least 200 yards, and that is what they are sighted in for.. Think of them in terms of a .35 Remington. You can kill woodchucks, coyotes, etc. at 300 by just getting sighted in for that distance.
Pete
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