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Post by scottycoyote on Jul 28, 2015 17:45:20 GMT -5
I just bought my first model 24, had been wanting one for years and traded for a 22mag over 410 (would have preferred a 22lr over 20 gauge but thats how it goes), the gun to be used mostly for squirrel hunting. So i made myself a target with a large piece of white posterboard and aiming at the dot i ended up with what you see in the picture. While both the 22mag and 410 are hitting to the right of the target, it appears they seem to be hitting close to the same point of aim? The large hole is where the 22 mag hit, and then there is almost a perfect circle of 410 shot around the bullethole, with the rest of the shot falling down the page a bit (i was shooting at 20 yards). Am i reading this correctly, the circle of shot kind of threw me, dont think ive ever seen a pattern of shot hit quite like that.
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blaze
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Post by blaze on Jul 28, 2015 19:58:20 GMT -5
Looks like the 410 and 22mag are centered with each other (that's good). Maybe some adjustment on the rear sight might bring the point of aim, 22mag and 410 all together although perhaps at a different range. But that 410 pattern is what really gets me. I've never had a 410 pattern like that! Might try some different 410 loads/ shot sizes. Let us know how it works out. Oh yes, and welcome to the forum.
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Post by Mr. Polecat on Jul 28, 2015 22:48:03 GMT -5
Hm! Are those handloads? Too much powder/velocity for the shot load can cause that, especially with larger shot. Apparently so can too steep a forcing cone, though I've never encountered that personally. What size shot is that? Normally I'd say that's what happens when you fire shot from a rifled barrel, but I guess your .410 barrel isn't rifled, sooooo....  Anyway, when the shot gets deformed, strange things happen. Too soft a shot, too much powder behind the shot. Or both. A choke not in tight can cut on the shot where the gap is and deform it bad, too, but I guess your gun isn't threaded huh? Perhaps a bad crown, too. When I got my Double Badger, it had a burr around the muzzle like you get after using a pipe cutter (lovely Chiappa machining), and the patterns were awful. Rubbed the burr off with a big round-head screw and it patterns a lot tighter now. 3" magnum .410 loads seem bad for deforming softer shot. Maybe try some harder shot, or different shells. I like the Winchester AA and HS shells best myself. If you can handload some shells, I am liking Lawrence copped plated #6 shot. There are some harder shots out there, but the Lawrence is the cheapest for plated. The plated shot doesn't deform as bad in the magnum loads, so it patterns tighter than soft non-plated. |
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Post by gk1 on Jul 29, 2015 8:31:59 GMT -5
Looks weird.
What was behind the target?
Maybe the .22mag bullet disintegrated and what you got is the rearward spray?
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Post by Jack on Jul 29, 2015 9:52:33 GMT -5
Wow. Old-style ammo with a solid over-shot wad and a roll crimp sometimes did that, but I presume your ammo isn't like that.
One guess on my part is a too-tight choke (not likely in. 24, but possible, I guess). Too high a velocity, maybe, but outside of careless handloading, the cause of that is hard to fathom.
I would suggest you experiment with different manufacturers and shot size to see if your gun prefers something else.
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Post by scottycoyote on Jul 29, 2015 10:20:22 GMT -5
thanks guys for all the replies. The shot is 3inch #5 game loads, factory not handloaded. The target was taped over a metal body silouette at 20 yards, but its not spray from the 22mag. I shot it first and it just left one clean hole then followed up with the 410. Im going to play with 410 loads some, just wanted to see if the barrels were in sync (which ive always heard was rare).
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