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Post by ragnar on Apr 9, 2016 16:56:53 GMT -5
Boys, I have been looking for a model 24 for my nephew and just came from the Guns International web site looking at Savage 24's listed there. The good news is that they have plenty including two camper models in good condition and one of them is absolutely pristene. The bad news is that the prices start at $650 bucks and go to $1495 bucks and the forearm is scratched on the $1495 gun. The wood is unremarkable, but otherwise, it appears to be in good condition.
So you fellas who have Savage model 24's in good condition have a fist full of dollars and it seems that they get more valuable every day. And some of you who have shown us photo's of your collection, you are rich because your guns are worth a buncha money!!!
This all seems so crazy to me because I have actually paddled a canoe with mine, and hunted with it in the rain, and in the snow, and climbed trees and mountains with it slung across my shoulder, and used it in the summer heat and winter cold. I've killed deer, hogs, squirrels, rabbits, coyotes, turkeys, snakes, chimney swifts, and even a few fish with it. It has NEVER faltered, is still in excellent condition, and is sitting down stairs in the safe waiting to go and do it all over again. Come to think about it, those high prices they are asking for them is probably about right and if I had any money, I'd be buying one or two of them. |
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Post by Mr. Polecat on Apr 9, 2016 19:11:46 GMT -5
The 24s have kinda started to go into the collector realm. The Camper especially.
I am assuming that you want a 20ga rather than a .410, so the rest of what I am about to say is based on that assumption.
I just bought a pretty nice 80s model (break lever in front of trigger guard) .22LR/20ga for $300 buy-it-now on Gunbroker. That's where I'd look if I were you. Check it every couple of days and eventually one will pop up that isn't too ratty and is a decent price. They are around for regular money if you wait and look pretty consistently. I think as you watch auctions for a while, you'll find that the stupid-priced ones never actually sell, just get relisted over and over and over again.
The only other realistic option I can think of is dropping $400 on the new .22LR/20ga Chiappa Double Badger (which should supposedly be coming out any time now). That would get you a hammerless action with double triggers and a screw-in choke, which would be a plus over the Savage 24 IMO, but on the other hand the Chiappas aren't manufactured to as high a standard as the Savage 24s were.
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Post by tshirtsnjeans on Apr 9, 2016 21:10:23 GMT -5
It's getting pretty crazy. Savage Model 24's are showing up on the Cabela's Gun Library website. They're asking $800 to $1000 for these guns AND GETTING IT!!!
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Post by ragnar on Apr 9, 2016 22:44:56 GMT -5
Thanks Leaf. I'm looking. Even going to gun shows for all the good that does. All they have is crap. Something will turn up. I looked for a little Kahr CW-380 for three months and couldn't find one. Then a near new P-380 came up at about the same price as the CW, so I jumped on it. I am amazed at how many people are buying guns now. Americans seem to know that something is coming and whatever it is, it AIN'T good.
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Post by littleguns on Apr 10, 2016 19:47:58 GMT -5
Guns International usually isn't the best place to shop for bargains. I've bought several decent Stevens or Savage combo guns at gun shows this past winter and spring in the $275 to $400 range, but I've seen a lot more at much higher prices. I saw a couple of pretty decent but routine 24s at the recent Tulsa show in the $700 to $800 range, but I don't think they sold at those prices. Tulsa had quite a few in the $350 to $550 range, which is still up quite a bit from a few years ago, but, then again, most guns have gone up in recent years. It seems that just when I think I'll never find another 24 at a reasonable price, one shows up. My latest is a Tenite Stevens that was a walk-in at Tulsa. The young man said he wanted $350, I offered $300 and he took it. It's in about 85% condition but will clean up to even better. Keep looking. Deals are still out there to be found.  |
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Post by ragnar on Apr 12, 2016 14:50:59 GMT -5
Yessir, deals are out there. I always hear about them right after they go down. But all the gun shows around me are 50 to 80 miles away and the entry fee is 8 to 10 bucks. I have to spend all day and about 30 bucks by the time I put gas in the truck just to drive there and walk through and see if there is anything in a gun show I may want. Most of the time, there isn't a SINGLE THING in the whole place I would even consider buying at any price because I don't buy black plastic or automatic anything. Time was when I would see all manner of neat old stuff at gun shows, but all of that has gone somewhere and I don't see it anymore. It seems to me as if most sellers at gun shows now are gun or pawn shop owners trying to sell all the crap at the gun show they can't sell in their shops and I AIN'T BUYING IT. So gun shows around here are not a good place to look for neat things like model 24's. I have not seen one at any price at a gun show in north Georgia in three or four years now. It's a long way from the heart and I ain't gonna die because of that, so Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? My nephew may hafta just buy his own cause I have mine and he ain't gonna get it while I'm alive.
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Post by jrguerra on Apr 13, 2016 6:35:15 GMT -5
Finding one for sale, let alone for a reasonable price IS hard. But unless you are extremely lucky and have someone offer theirs for sale to you, it just won't happen. If you are proactive, you just might find one. If you ask for a 'want to buy' ad at a gun shop or web site, you might get lucky. Haunting pawn shops is definitely a hit or miss, but if you don't play - you don't win.
I hope you find one soon.
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Post by neilrr on Apr 13, 2016 7:23:35 GMT -5
I live in the Northeast (New Jersey- NJ) and attend gun shows or gun auctions on a regular basis, 1-2 a month. Being an older person who grew up with revolvers and wood furniture rifles I must agree with Ragnar that most gun shows and even auctions in this area are 75% or better plastic semi auto ARs or rifles and very modern pistols. Trying to find an older revolver or wood furniture rifle in good shape that require minimal work is getting harder and harder, especially at a decent price.
Living in NJ, it is a long tedious process to obtain revolver/pistol permits. You can obtain a maximum of 3 permits at a time and only purchase 1 revolver/pistol every 30 days over a 90 day period. The permits can be renewed once for an additional 90 days, but after that they expire and you need to repeat the process. So purchasing a specific revolver or pistol on short notice is very complicated.
However, I can purchase rifles and/or shotguns any time and as many as I want since I have a permanent permit to do so. Thus I purchase rifles and or shotguns much more frequently than revolvers or pistols. Since I am into hand loading, I usually look for a rifle caliper that will allow me to expand my hand loading knowledge and skill. That being said, I broke my cardinal rule on plastic guns about 6 months ago, in this case one with a hard Styrofoam stock for which I am making a wood stock and purchased a "survival" Chiappa X-caliber combination rifle (12 ga. over 22 LR) with a set of 8 barrel inserts. The inserts encompass the following calibers: 9 MM, .38 SPL, .357 Mag, .380 ACP, 10 MM, 40 S&W, 44 Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 410 ga. and 20 ga. All of the inserts except for the .410 ga. and 20 ga. are rifled and having test fired all of them I found them to be very accurate in the 40-50 yard range and some even out to 75 yards. With the 12 ga. as the upper barrel, its POA and POI are excellent. The lower 22 LR barrel is also within an 1" of POA to POI. Taking this gun to the range allows me to test fire many calibers of hand loads at a single outing and quickly allows me to perfect them for the various calibers. Having such a variety of inserts allows me to use the ammo that I have the most of until I can reload other calibers.
Don't misread what I have said, my first love is my 1960's Model 24 (.22/.410) and I am constantly looking for one in 12 ga. that can use the X-caliber inserts. So to all of you, and including me, that are looking for that reasonably priced Model 24, all the best of luck.
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Post by ragnar on Apr 13, 2016 8:57:04 GMT -5
Thanks guys. One thing I have noticed about living in the south is that there are not, and apparently, there never were many nice firearms down here. That is because after the War of Northern Aggression, we never had any money. The only guns down here were the cheapest single barrel guns made and sold by Sears & Robuck, Montgomery Ward and such places, usually with their brand names on them. Places like New Jersey and New York and Ohio, were hot beds of all kinds of firearms development and design and the best gun smiths in the nation were located there. They had shooting clubs and nice guns to die for. All of the gun makers were located up there. Much of that is still up there, but because of the liberal democrat politicts, you don't see it. And that is a shame. I also believe it was a BIG FACTOR in Chris Christie being rejected as a presidential candidate. People KNOW ABOUT the restrictive gun laws in New Jersey and they reject it.
I used to do Black Powder Cartridge Rifle shooting and got to see all manner of original rifles at those matches. Every one of them came from the north eastern or northern USA. Most of them looked and shot good as new. They were in excellent condition. Most old guns from the south you find are completely worn out and dangerous to shoot.
So you boys who live up that way have an advantage on those of us who live down south in being able to find neat firearms. The only saving grace with the modle 24's is they were never really expensive until Savage quit making them and there are a lot of them around here. One will show up. I'm an old coot who has had to learn patience and besides, this is just fun stuff anyway and is not going to have any effect on the quality of my life. I am a lot more concerned with the outcome of the upcoming national election than I am about finding a model 24. But that is politicts and this isn't the place for that.
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Post by vancmike on Apr 25, 2016 19:12:31 GMT -5
...."One thing I have noticed about living in the south is that there are not, and apparently, there never were many nice firearms down here...."
Huh. Really? I've spent a little time in the South. Went quail hunting a few times. At the end of the day, we'd gather for a little toddy and supper. We checked our guns in a rack and I couldn't help but doing some comparing. My old L.C. Smith double sure looked like a beater compared to the Parker, Ithaca, Fox Sterlingworth, Purdey and Jeffries, plus a few Spanish and Italian brands. We estimated (and this was 30 years ago) that there was well over $75K of shotguns on one wall. And that was just the side-by-sides.
I was the only guy from the PacNW, there were a couple of NYC swells and the rest were from Texas to the Carolinas. I kinda got the idea that the South done riz again.....
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Post by ragnar on May 1, 2016 16:52:04 GMT -5
My statement is based on having been born, lived, and hunted all across the south for the past 74 years except for the six years I was in the navy. What I want to know is if the guy running the quail preserve where you hunted wore a red hat, do you think all southerners wear red hats? If you don't believe that, why do you believe the guns you saw in the gun rack at the quail hunting lodge are what you normally find across the south?
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Post by jrguerra on May 2, 2016 6:54:42 GMT -5
It depends on the crowd you run with. Down here in south Texas, Bobwhite Quail hunting is a popular activity (some might call it a cult, lol) who drive around large ranches in custom racked vehicles looking for a place to let the pointers get to work. Their shotguns are plenty expensive by the look of them. The clothing looks equally expensive, with snake boots very prevalent.
Most dove hunters who use repeaters (pumps mainly) are just regular Joes, though the quail hunter take out their o/us for a work out.
It just depends I guess.
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Post by vancmike on May 2, 2016 14:00:25 GMT -5
Of course I don't think the S.C and Georgia quail ranches are representative of those states, nor are the sports in Texas who hunt big game and bobwhite are typical either. I'm just (mildly, mind you) suggesting you might be throwing a little b.s. when you tell us the South is made up solely of poor boys. Every part of the country has its low income areas (or even no income areas). In my area of the PacNW, Wahkiakum and Skamania counties have very few branches on the family tree and a typical firearm is the single-barrel shotgun leaning behind the door. Drive up I-5 to Seattle though.....
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Post by ragnar on May 4, 2016 9:24:54 GMT -5
Quote: "I'm just (mildly, mind you) suggesting you might be throwing a little b.s. when you tell us the South is made up solely of poor boys."
What you actually said was quote: "Huh. Really? I've spent a little time in the South. Went quail hunting a few times." You then proceeded to to "suggest" I am throwing b.s. when I say the shotguns you saw are not generally found across the south.
What I then correctly stated is that you have made assocations which are incorrect.
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Post by vancmike on May 4, 2016 14:14:25 GMT -5
Actually, I've spent significant time (other than hunting) in the south, but OK, OK....this thread is threatening to devolve into unnecessary vitriol. You're right, you're right about everything.
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