Post by oldnavychief on Nov 2, 2015 14:44:45 GMT -5
Thanks Texas, good thought. Well, I took a needle and ran it in the grove between the two vertical lines and found. This is one indentation with no N or H cross member. So not an N or H. Noting past this one indentation to be an badly stamped E, F, L, P either. Now, it could be an light struck I with top and bottom extension missing. But it is missing on both the receiver and barrel stamping exactly the same. So not a miss struck I. Also if it is an I it would be after the E (1953 = E ?) conversion from button selector to hammer. On this I removed the butt plate to find other clues. The wood is stamped with the same side lying rectangle with tails at the corners and then B and N identical to the barrel and receiver stamps. Toward the bottom of the stock are two offset 5s next to each other 55. However, a 55 I understand would be an F. One, neither of the stampings has any indication of extensions off the one vertical stamps indicating a light struck F. Two, both stamps would have to have been light truck identically. Lastly a 1955 would have had the selector hammer, not button.
Are we getting any closer for someone to make a calculated speculation?
Thanks Tex. You or anyone else have any ideas as to the year?
old navy, in 1964 the Savage Corp. was sold and became a division of the Emhart Corp. Unless I'm mistaken, in 1965 Savage/Emhart introduced the hammer selector (removing the side button) and moved the barrel break lever from the tang to the side break lever at the same time. So until 1964 the side button selector was in production. I have a mod 24 with letter code N - 1962 with side button selector and barrel break lever on the tang. Hope this helps.
Post by oldnavychief on Nov 4, 2015 9:47:42 GMT -5
Texa, woooow. your having a gun marked N from 62 with a button selector and tang lock is fantastic. So, it then sounds like the model 24 was changed from button to hammer selector twice. Once in 1956 (G code) by Savage and then somehow went back to the button selector and changed it back to the button in 62 (N). Is that right. You veteran model 24 owners sure have a lot of history on these guns. Yes, if the model 24 went through two conversions this would help me a lot. Now to be clear. my N is not on the receiver or barrel oval. My N is after an inner receiver odd rectangle, a B then an N. I'm all ears. Thank you Tex. Chief
Post by oldnavychief on Nov 5, 2015 13:38:53 GMT -5
Texas, thanks again for your info. The place I found the 1956 change was on a site for Steven/Savage codes. Sorry, my notebook is bad at copying links. This site probably known to most of you guys offers the Steven/Savage codes and corresponding dates. It also has a great deal of information by year. This site offers that Savage wen from button selector to hammer in 1956 (G). Earlier button selector guns which removed the button selector and installed the hammer selector are called G converted, or G conversions. On that were converted the holes for the button selector remain, but now they have the selection hammer installed. This is what lead me to wonder if Savage had changed to the hammer selector in 1956 and then when the later corporate entity took over production if they had initially started with NOS receivers or had new receivers made with the button selector. This does sound kinda nutty. However, that's some of the fun with these neat old guns. What do you make of all this?
I bought my Savage 24 new directly out of Stoeger's 1957 Shooter's Bible #48. I see the catalog has a 1956 copyright (that makes sense....they would have printed each year's catalog at the end of the previous year). My memory says I bought mine at the end of that summer (alas, the '57 Bel Air fuel-injected 2-dr coupe was out of my price range. And still is....).
Mine has, of course, the side-selector button. I've seen lots of catalogs prior to and after 1957 and none of them show a hammer selector. OldNavy, I suspect the internet site you found was wrong (gee....the first time I've ever heard of something not being correct on the internet ) and that the hammer selector was not produced until later, as detailed above.
edit: FWIW, you can buy original old editions of the Shooter's Bible on ebay (I did). The catalog I had as a kid has long disappeared, and so I wanted the edition from which I purchased mine all those years ago.
Last Edit: Nov 5, 2015 16:26:48 GMT -5 by vancmike
old navy, to be clear, any older models that may have been converted to hammer selectors would have been converted during or after 1965 when the part became available. Additionally don't confuse any internal markings as date codes as they are not, they would be relative to manufacturing only and not date of manufacture. I hope you enjoy your old 24 as I do the 3 that I own. Taking a walk in the woods with one is pure joy and makes me feel like a kid again
Post by oldnavychief on Nov 6, 2015 19:53:58 GMT -5
Thank you very much for your help. I'm a believer in your info. Yeap, the interest is a wealth of information which isn't always anywhere near correct. I'm believing in what you experienced and offered. While it doesn't look like mine is a 50s gun it's for sure a 60's gun. Family and outdoors wise one of the best times of my life. Lot's of great memories of first shooting, first hunts, fishing, up here Coleman lanterns and stoves late into cold March nights on our favorite Lake Michigan pier net fishing for smelt with Dad (gone now) and his friends. My first guns were a Remington (I believe) and a Mossberg 410 bolt action. This model 24 represents all those memories. We're working on selling the house and movin South to Arkansas. Lots of big pines, lakes and woods. Maybe this old man might still get a few days sitting in the woods with the old gun. Who knows, perhaps I might even be proud to bring home supper as I did as a kid. I've had the gun to the rang and enjoyed manually loading each 22, careful shot, and the single shot breach loading thing. Thanks again for the great info.
Post by mountainwoodturner on Dec 21, 2015 15:36:15 GMT -5
I am new to the forum but old to the world. Ha! I have had a 24 .22/410 that I traded for in 1967 and it was old then with a walnut stock in rough condition. (I refinished it and it looks great). I have read all of the posts here before writing this and am still not certain as to the mfg date of my gun. Can we post links to pictures that would help describe our questions? I have seen none. Both the bottom of the barrel and the left/top side of the action have two letters stamped "M" and "E". The bottom of the barrel has the letter "C" (same size as the M E) stamped just in front of the pivot point. The "C" has no circle around it or parenthesis. Is the "C" my mfg year or is the "M" and "E" the date indicator? Thanks for any help.