petemi
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Post by petemi on Jan 3, 2013 7:00:14 GMT -5
Does anyone know if a synthetic stock is available for a 24V Series D?
Pete
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ao
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Post by ao on Jan 3, 2013 10:14:57 GMT -5
Don't know , but if you find one I may be interested in your "old" wood one! ;D
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petemi
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Post by petemi on Jan 3, 2013 10:49:02 GMT -5
The wood stock is in like new condition. I really don't know if I would sell it. I'm just trying to lighten up the gun. If I decide to part with it, you'll be the first to know. I saw a 24 stocked in synthetic on one of the on line sales. It didn't mention where the stock came from. I called Savage, but they were no help. Pete
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Post by bigkelly on Jan 3, 2013 14:51:36 GMT -5
yeah the new savage people are the pits I've never seen a 24V in anything but real wood Boyd s sells a wood stock that feels like it not real or you could try Bobs gun parts--they have some stocks
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Post by ao on Jan 3, 2013 15:26:40 GMT -5
The wood stock is in like new condition. I really don't know if I would sell it. I'm just trying to lighten up the gun. If I decide to part with it, you'll be the first to know. I saw a 24 stocked in synthetic on one of the on line sales. It didn't mention where the stock came from. I called Savage, but they were no help. Pete Sweet..looking forward to hearing from you.. Scott sgb4570@gmail.com
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petemi
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Post by petemi on Jan 3, 2013 15:32:38 GMT -5
I've gotta agree with you. They sound like the same crew H&R has in Madison, NC......about as useful as you know what on a boar.
That stock I saw on that one for sale was the only synthetic I've ever seen, and it had to come from somewhere. I'm 71 and a big fan of short and light.
Pete
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ee
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Post by ee on Jan 3, 2013 15:58:08 GMT -5
Occasionally a synthetic stock for the F model 24 will come up for sale on ebay or gunbroker or such, sometimes even a factory camo type, but typically those F model forends aren't going to work on a V model gun, even if the gauge of the shot barrel is correct. The problem is that the F model attaches to the gun by a welded stud to accept a machine bolt through the forend, whereas a V model forend attaches to the gun with the mousetrap spring assembly. However, there were some "transition" guns where the gun was marked one way but made up another way, for instance marked F but wearing wood, or marked V but including a cross bolt safety, etc. Now if somebody had a gun marked V that had a threaded stud for the forend then they could easily switch wood out for synthetic, however I'd bet that gun would already have synthetic furniture on it. I'd also bet that ODell might have some input following that train of thought, hopefully, as I always enjoy what he has to offer.
Now here's another thought that occured to me: we're looking at the V model which was always a mousetrap spring forend right up until whatever few transition guns were cobbled together, and so we could look at the old tenite stock sets in trying to obtain synthetic furniture on a traditional V model. Possibly a bit of modification, or fitting, might be required on the forend but given a forend made for a 20 gauge Model 94 shotgun it should work on the 20 gauge 24 V. Now the butt stock is a bit of a different story: while earlier V model guns had the half moons, or ears, or whatever you want to call the side tabs of the interface area of the butt to the receiver, the V Series D did not have the ears but instead had the flat interface. Now possibly, careful removal of those ears from the butt may allow fitting of one to the other, and so the next issue could be that the tenite shape may or may not be exactly the same as the V Series D shape, and while wood could be shaped nicely it is doubtful that tenite could be as nice. Also needed would be the tenite stock bolt as well as a tenite stock bolt adaptor which seems to me would all work just fine. Now having found all of that stuff, and having modified it slightly here and there to fit it and hopefully keep it looking good and so forth, is it gonna crack upon firing??? Maybe, or maybe not. I don't believe it would be an issue of cartridge or gauge size as tenite was used on 12 gauge in the Model 94, but it could be that a slightly imperfect fit of butt to receiver could over stress the tenite at a single point causing damage. This would not be detrimental to the firearm, only to the tenite, so this could be tried with the fail safe of going back to the original wood furniture.
Now, let's look at what you are trying to accomplish, that being to lighten up the gun. Well, I never really considered the V to be over weight, not super light, but not too heavy either. However the F models have often received complaints of being too heavy, especially considering the fact that synthetic should be lighter than wood. So I ask you, is your V Series D truly an old school V, or maybe it's a transition gun? Does it have a cross bolt safety? Or does the forend attach by a screw into a stud or by a mousetrap spring assembly? If it is a transistion gun then that is why it is heavy, and yet maybe the synthetic stocks might lighten it some, especially given that they should easily fit. If it's a true V, old school that is, then you've already got the lighter of the two types.
If you are able to fit synthetic to the gun I would suggest that you hang on to the wood for a little while, see how it goes, there's a good chance you will want to switch back to the original for one reason or another. Sometimes we think we have built a better mouse trap, but then something pushes us back to the old standard that we know works. If it is a transition gun, please consider keeping you old parts as you have a rare bird there.
Sorry this is so long, look forward to all responses.
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petemi
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Post by petemi on Jan 4, 2013 4:23:26 GMT -5
ee, thanks for the wealth of information. It's obviously not going to be as simple as I thought. I might have to bite the bullet and just stick with wood. It is a very nice stock set and I think I'll keep it even if I find a synthetic. I believe this gun is going to be among the ones I'll never sell. Thanks very much again for your time and input.
Pete
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Post by odell23 on Jan 4, 2013 14:49:07 GMT -5
The 24V/F Transition models were produced during a rough time at Savage. The company changed hands and the new owners reduced the number of different guns produced to only the best sellers. Thankfully the 24 survived, but with the focus set on bettering the quality of the guns and Federal pressure on safety, the 24V was replaced with the 24F. Henceforth an overall heavier gun, cross-bolt safety, machine screw attached forend, synthetic stock and forend, and the addition of 12 gauge into the mix in addition to the 20 gauge.
However there were some 24V parts (mostly frames and wood) still hanging around that needed to be liquidated. So a short run of guns were made to expedite the process. So far I have encountered 3 different versions.
The first is a wood furniture version with a 24V frame with 24F barrels in .30-30/20. It is marked 24V on the left side of the rifle barrel. This has caused some confusion with what people think is on the engraved side plates. Instead of the traditional fox scene on the left and turkey on the right, it still has the fox on the right but the left was now a grouse. It, like the other 24V models produced earlier, lacks a cross-bolt safety, but because of the 24F barrels the forend is attached with a machine screw like all later versions.
The second is wood stocked version with 24F frame and barrels that is marked 24V on the left side of the rifle barrel in .30-30/20. This frame has the cross-bolt safety and the standard scroll engravings found on all 24F frames. Again the wood forend is attached by a machine screw.
The third is a camouflaged synthetic stocked 24F frame and barrels marked 24V on the left side of the rifle barrel in .223/12. Other than the engraving, it looks like every other 24F-12T (12 gauge turkey gun) produced.
As has been said before, you can swap a wood stock for a synthetic one on any 24V Series D model. The forend would require some gunsmith work by removing the the spring tension block and replacing it with a drilled and tapped metal block to use a machine screw on. I think it's easily doable if you really want it.
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