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Post by spy on Feb 3, 2014 13:05:20 GMT -5
A question for all of you (that has probably been asked before, my apologies in advance)
I am now confronted with a choice ... are there any reasons why one should prefer an older 24 over a newer model (e.g. late 50's vs mid-70's)? There are obviously physical differences ... welded barrels, side selector, materials and of course age. Of prime importance, do any of these differences affect reliability and utility? I have heard that older barrel side-selectors might be prone to failure/breakage and older parts could be significantly more difficult to find. How do joined barrels perform vs separated ones? Furthermore, would the value or collectability of 2 similar Model 24's in 22LR/.410's be significantly different? I am not talking about guns in mint condition but those that have been (rightfully) used but not abused.
Your thoughts and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by Mr. Polecat on Feb 3, 2014 19:05:20 GMT -5
I'm no expert or anything, but....
My fully soldered S-C is regulated much better than the ones I have with separate barrels. On the flip side, if you get a bad one with fully soldered barrels, there's nothing you can do about it. Whatever you are looking at, I'd see if you can fire a test group to check the regulation before plunking down money...
The F is really heavy.
Other than that, I think it all comes down to caliber choice, imo.
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Post by spy on Feb 3, 2014 21:35:02 GMT -5
Excellent suggestion, thank you.
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Post by TexasBAD on Feb 5, 2014 15:22:43 GMT -5
IMHO (I am no expert) however, I have recently conducted quite a bit of research into the Stevens/Savage history. It seems to me every time there was a change in ownership there were modifications done to firearms they manufactured. Some of the modifications were an improvement in their production. Most of the modifications were made to cut the cost of production. Especially with the 1964 purchase by the Emhart Corp.
I have two Mod 24s, one is a Mod 24 mfd in 1962. The other is a Mod 24S-D mfd in 1968 or 69. Both are 22lr over 410. Both function very well and shoot straight. But, the one mfd in 1962, IMO is a much better quality gun and will most certainly last a longer time without failure. The older one breaks open and closes more cleanly and tightly. The trigger function on the older one is much better and the frame itself seems more sound. The stock and forearm are of a better quality wood.
I gladly paid a higher price for older one than I was willing to pay for the S-D. Hope this helps, best wishes. David
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Post by spy on Feb 5, 2014 17:14:10 GMT -5
Your first-hand experience and comments about the 2 types are much appreciated. It is quite understandable that the older versions are more robust and of higher quality.
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Post by odell23 on Feb 6, 2014 9:29:09 GMT -5
Not to take away from anything texasbad said, but those 2 guns cannot be compared justly.
The weak point in all of the early guns was the slide button barrel selector. That was the reason Savage moved to the hammer selector. You can fairly easily convert the slide button to a hammer selector if you want to. The early model 24 and 24DL guns are fantastic as long as the barrel are regulated correctly and most were.
The 24S guns with the sidelever breech opening system were built by and meant for economy. They are the most radically different in design when compared the rest of the models. They did however have the same style brazed barrels as the others which makes for equally good shooting.
I have some great separated barrel 24C, 24D & 24FG as well. The biggest trick is getting one you like that shoots well.
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Post by spy on Feb 6, 2014 13:26:11 GMT -5
Apparently it's all coming down to a test shoot. I hope he has a big backyard LOL
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Post by scott on Feb 7, 2014 15:53:27 GMT -5
Keep in mind that this is coming from someone who doesn't have an encyclopedic knowledge of or long experience with savage 24's, but if some of the separated barrel models regulate well and some don't, then logic would dictate that it's just a matter of finding the thing which is causing the poorly regulated models to be erratic and fixing it. From experience with other platforms, it can be something as simple as the tension on the barrel band screw. If you have time and the desire to do it, I dont see any reason why a non-performing model couldn't be brought up to snuff.
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Post by spy on Feb 7, 2014 21:17:15 GMT -5
Well I went "newer" ... found a 22WMR over 20 ga. Will be perfect for post deer/moose season.
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Post by TexasBAD on Feb 8, 2014 11:20:26 GMT -5
Spy, which model did u get? I would really like to find an older 22mag/20ga. I love both of mine, they make me feel 10 years old again every time we r in the woods looking for opporunities
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Post by spy on Feb 9, 2014 8:29:59 GMT -5
It is a Savage 24 Series P field grade likely early/mid 70's (S/N B78xxxx). The gentleman used this one ... 22LR modified to 22WMR, shortened barrels to 20" and 20 ga threaded to accept modified choke. All work done nicely by a gunsmith. Previous owner "aiming" at creating sort of a camper model. Should prove to be a very serviceable gun ... can't wait to use it!
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