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Post by anthony on Mar 4, 2014 0:12:30 GMT -5
I have a 24J with what I think is a full choke. With a steel ruler the muzzle measures at .39. Is it safe for me to shoot slugs? if so, what brand works best? Would it kill a ~100 lb hog? I have Winchester 1/5 oz, 2 1/2 in now. Is this good enough? Are 3" made? Thanks, Antbony
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Post by cw on Mar 4, 2014 9:15:19 GMT -5
I have a 24J with what I think is a full choke. With a steel ruler the muzzle measures at .39. 1) Is it safe for me to shoot slugs? if so, 2) what brand works best? 3) Would it kill a ~100 lb hog? I have Winchester 1/5 oz, 2 1/2 in now. 4) Is this good enough? 5)Are 3" made? Thanks, Antbony 1) YES
2) Its up to your gun
3) YES
4) YES if you keep range appropriate
5) YES
The full choke is most common with the 410. Slugs are generally best thru a mod or more open choke. But perfectly safe in a full.
On a power scale its roughly a 357 magnum. The projectiles are light so they shed vel and energy quickly so keep ranges short.
Those slug will likly work just fine, pick your shots, on bigger critters avoid that shoulder shot and its ''shield''.
I prefer RWS 3"" magnums and they shoot best from my 24, my Beretta fold up and H&R SS.
Ultimately, your gun will need to decide.
CW
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Post by scott on Mar 4, 2014 16:05:56 GMT -5
I've never used slugs before (It's just not that common in the SW). Can you please explain how they can pass through a choke without causing issues? Are they that compressible? It just seems like a recipe for damage to the barrel (or shooter) without some additional info...
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Post by Mr. Polecat on Mar 4, 2014 16:56:49 GMT -5
Yes, they compress and are made of fairly soft lead. The choke swages them down as they pass through.
All modern foster (aka "rifled") slugs are safe to shoot through up to a full choke, but you shouldn't (they say) shoot them through any extra-full turkey chokes or anything like that. The "rifling" on the rifled slugs doesn't really make the slug spin, it just helps it squish down through the choke.
However a lot of squishing (full choke) results in poor (but acceptable if you know your gun) accuracy. A "little" squishing (as from an IC choke) imparts the "best" accuracy, while a cylinder bore (no choke) or mod choke are second best (imo).
But if you are shooting pumpkin balls or those old T-bar slugs from many many decades ago, you should stick to a cyl bore. But nobody has made any commercial ammo with those for like 50 or 60 years.
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Post by cw on Mar 4, 2014 18:18:23 GMT -5
I've never used slugs before (It's just not that common in the SW). Can you please explain how they can pass through a choke without causing issues? Are they that compressible? It just seems like a recipe for damage to the barrel (or shooter) without some additional info... Leaf pretty well described it!
Foster slugs are hollow based, so much co that they are easily malleable. In my 24 22/410 FC it shoots RWS 3'' into about 2'' at 50 yards. A RWS is a little different style. Its wad is attached to the slug making for a long weight forward projectile. Often times these slugs are very accurate.
Look at it another way. In todays ''sue happy'' world knowing that most all 410s are full choke... IF there was a possible issue they would not offer the product.
No damage to worry about the barrel is steel and the slugs very soft lead.
The only time I know of when shooting slugs thru a tighter choke could be dangerous would be if you have a externally attached choke like the old style poly choke. back in the day I have seen these ''shot'' right off the barrel with slugs.
CW
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Post by scott on Mar 5, 2014 10:36:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the follow up guys. I was just thinking that with that much mass and the relative thinness of a shotgun barrel, it would be awfully easy to tear things up. Good to know that's not an issue.
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Post by anthony on Mar 5, 2014 22:45:07 GMT -5
Wow, almost to much information! Thanks for the help. The barrel is pretty thick, so I might give it a try.
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Post by vancmike on Mar 13, 2014 18:38:37 GMT -5
Somewhere in the bowels of this forum (previous version, I think) I did a treatise on this issue, having checked, fired and shot, etc., etc.
It's OK to shoot domestic (Federal, WW, Rem, etc.) 'punkin balls' as previously mentioned. Because they're almost solid (i.e., soft) lead, they squeeze down and go through the barrel easily.....with abysmal results, at least in my experience. But at least they go bang and don't hurt your gun.
Although I wouldn't stand in front of them, they may not hurt much of anything on the other end, either. I've never cronyed mine: because they seemed to have a pattern similar to the shotgun, I was afraid I'd damage my chronograph.
If, on the other hand, you find yourself in possession of those cartridges produced in Russia/Eastern Europe for Saiga's .410 semi-auto (an AK-47 clone), those are not appropriate for the Mdl 24. The slugs are made of mystery metal that appears to be extremely hard and are, if I recall, about .411 diameter. They worked fine in my Saiga, which had a .412 muzzle diameter (so that's logical).
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Post by anthony on Mar 15, 2014 0:33:06 GMT -5
Would I be better off with Buckshot? What size? I ask because in my area of Southern California there is a growing feral hog population. My 24 is my bunny gun and I would like to take a crack at a pig if I see one.
Vancmike- Thanks. I'll look for your post.
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Post by anthony on Mar 15, 2014 1:00:23 GMT -5
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Post by Hank on Mar 15, 2014 12:49:16 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I'm OLD ( with age, comes wisdom, ...sometimes ), but I don't think I'd want to encounter a Feral Pig, ( sometimes in Very Large size ) with a single shot shotgun of minimal power. Also, it's a very moot point whether you can use a .410 slug, or not. ( I don't think I would want to use a "single-shot" of ANY calibre...what if I missed on the first shot ?
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I think you're being very foolish in using that gun in an area known to have feral pigs. What happens if you come between a sow and her piglets ?
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If I found one, I would like to hunt with a 12 ga /30-30 Model 24, but only for DEER ( Note: I would also not to use a smaller 20ga on deer,..I want to drop a deer on first shot, not chase an injured deer across the countryside )
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I think you need to use a little more common sense in this matter,...something the "experts" seemed to have missed.
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Hank
treeguymi@yahoo.com
Michigan
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Post by cw on Mar 15, 2014 12:53:18 GMT -5
Would I be better off with Buckshot? What size? I ask because in my area of Southern California there is a growing feral hog population. My 24 is my bunny gun and I would like to take a crack at a pig if I see one. Vancmike- Thanks. I'll look for your post. Buck shot can work very well. Its a proven cartridge IF USED IS IF IT WAS A SINGLE projectile. If your experienced and the range is short it can work like bird shot. BUT I emphasize restraint, close range shots and AIMING.
The 410 is gonna REALLY emphasize my recommendations. 
I have used the 12/20ga on Coyotes at close ranges with good results form calling them in. I have a good candidate in a 410 to try but have not as yet. The 410 buck is very few pellets so using as if it was a single bullet is pretty much a requirement.
CW
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Post by vancmike on Mar 15, 2014 13:23:47 GMT -5
Anthony, thanks for finding my old post. It's as close as I'll ever come to "expert" prose!
I'm with those who suggest something bigger...and a repeater...for feral hogs. Years ago, I hunted for same in CA....they hadn't yet migrated north....and they weren't terribly big (not like those behemoths reported in the South), but still they were nasty buggers: about the size of....well, a good-sized barnyard pig. And they were meaner than my mother-in-law before her morning coffee.
We used lever-action 30-30 rifles. I was fortunate in that the pig I shot had stopped for a moment, giving me a good view. One shot, but that was unusual: one guy in our group used 5 shots to finally subdue a boar that took offence at being shot at.
In my old age, I'm thinking my Marlin 45-70 would be my next hog gun....
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Post by cw on Mar 15, 2014 13:51:41 GMT -5
Just remember, they aint bullet proof. Many times to the contrary to stories.  A poor hit with a elephant gun aint as good a killer!! Its NOT what you shoot as much as WHERE you shoot them. I have killed many hogs and more than a few defensively. Two of those where with a 12G SINGLE SHOT shotgun at sub 10 FEET!! BOTH where same day seconds apart, both critters died rather abruptly.  CW |
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Post by anthony on Mar 15, 2014 19:55:04 GMT -5
Hank- No fool like an old fool, ok. I'm 57, so that would make me an old fool alright. However in my defense I do pack a S&W .357 Mod 19 on my hip. Snakeload first shot, and 158 gr Jackted HP after that. So yeah, I'm not that foolish. Also I wouldn't take anything over 100 lbs. I'v hunted hogs in Texas and I learned that big pigs aren't worth eating. Thanks for the reminder.
vancmike- I shot my hogs with a 30-30 as well, a Winchester mod 94. A good medium range brush gun.
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A poor hit with a elephant gun aint as good a killer!! Its NOT what you shoot as much as WHERE you shoot them.