Mountain Man @ Stoneacres
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Post by Mountain Man @ Stoneacres on Sept 18, 2014 16:11:58 GMT -5
I am very interested in buying my 7 year old son his first gun, and want this 22/410 combo. Can I get some advise as to which direction I should go on the Model. I really like the Model 24, but is the 42 lighter and more reliable?
Please let me know your thoughts on this.
Thanks,
Mountain Man @ Stoneacres Carbondale, CO
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Post by Mr. Polecat on Sept 19, 2014 0:02:45 GMT -5
FWIW, my first gun was a Marlin 15Y. I think it cost $35. Probably equivalent to the $100 Cricket rifle of today. So, very inexpensive. It was... Absolutely abused. Bench rested on boulders with no padding (scratch scratch), strapped to the handlebars of a dirt bike and wrecked in the woods (many times), dropped in the river, had the stock used as a cutting board cleaning fish. All the things that an adventurous kid is going to do. I say this because the model 24 has become something of a collector gun. In 30 years, is your kid going to be looking at a beaten up rifle that would be worth a couple thousand bucks and having sad thoughts, regretting using it so hard? Or will he be looking at a beaten up rifle that would still only be worth a hundred bucks even if it wasn't beaten up, and having happy recollections of the fun he had with it? I think that for that kind of mileage, I'd be looking at a model 42, even though I think the 24 is a "better" gun. Though me, personally, I think I'd go for a plain jane single shot .22 or a Rossi matched set in .22/.410 and then maybe get 20ga and .243 barrels for it in a couple of years. But I don't really know what I am talking about and my opinions are like you-know-whats, I am sure.
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Post by jrguerra on Sept 19, 2014 6:12:00 GMT -5
FWIW, my first gun was a Marlin 15Y. I think it cost $35. Probably equivalent to the $100 Cricket rifle of today. So, very inexpensive. It was... Absolutely abused. Bench rested on boulders with no padding (scratch scratch), strapped to the handlebars of a dirt bike and wrecked in the woods (many times), dropped in the river, had the stock used as a cutting board cleaning fish. All the things that an adventurous kid is going to do. I say this because the model 24 has become something of a collector gun. In 30 years, is your kid going to be looking at a beaten up rifle that would be worth a couple thousand bucks and having sad thoughts, regretting using it so hard? Or will he be looking at a beaten up rifle that would still only be worth a hundred bucks even if it wasn't beaten up, and having happy recollections of the fun he had with it? I think that for that kind of mileage, I'd be looking at a model 42, even though I think the 24 is a "better" gun. Though me, personally, I think I'd go for a plain jane single shot .22 or a Rossi matched set in .22/.410 and then maybe get 20ga and .243 barrels for it in a couple of years. But I don't really know what I am talking about and my opinions are like you-know-whats, I am sure. That sounds like good advice. The Savage 24 is getting difficult to find and unless its really beaten up, is priced in the $500 and up range. I picked up (not purchased, just picked up :^) a 42 at a recent gunshow - I like it, but it does look strange!! I saw it for sale at Wal-Mart for $342 recently - thats not too bad. Some other considerations - .410 factory cost is $$$!
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Post by rj on Sept 19, 2014 9:21:16 GMT -5
I say get the 24. Kids don't get to use (abuse) guns like we did 50 years ago. It ain't pc.
The 24 will be a gun he will be proud of forever. It will also be useful throughout his life because it is so versatile (but you already know that).
A little time spent teaching him to take care of his (or any gun) will pay off later when he understands that condition determines price and value.
Also,he can join this forum when he is older and brag about how smart his dad was.
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Post by vancmike on Sept 19, 2014 14:00:45 GMT -5
I'm with RJ, if your budget allows. Regardless of the firearm you get him, at age 7, you're not going to allow him to trudge off into the woods alone.....sure, when he's older, but not now.
So in the meantime, you have lots of opportunities to show him how to keep and maintain a nice firearm, which will give him so many other life lessons as well: responsibility, care, good sportsmanship, etc., etc.
Having said that, I've been eying a used (or maybe new) Henry lever action for my grandson and those are very affordable. But still, the above advice applies regardless of the firearm.
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Mountain Man @ Stoneacres
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Post by Mountain Man @ Stoneacres on Sept 19, 2014 15:12:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the input guys. I am going to try to find a Model 24. If you have any advice on that, please let me know.
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Post by TexasBAD on Sept 20, 2014 10:13:58 GMT -5
I handled a 42 recently and IMHO they are just plain cheaply made. Recent reviews online seem to support that. I would go with the 24. When your son is much older it is a first gun he will always treasure.
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Post by colonel3006 on Sept 20, 2014 12:05:14 GMT -5
I agree with previous posts. The 42 just feels cheap and looks more like a toy to me. One of my favorite guns is Dads old ithaca 300, more for the fact that he gave it to me and when I take it out I remember all the times he took me shooting and hunting with it and have many fond memories, the same as your son will. As said before the 24 will be a much nicer gun (even years from now) that he will be much prouder to carry. I know I have many more guys admiring my 24 when taking it out for a skeet shoot than any other gun I have owned.
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Post by cw on Sept 21, 2014 13:38:49 GMT -5
I have looked at the 42 a dozen times... it dosent get any better... Its over priced for what it is too. Save a little longer and spend more on a real 24. CW
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Post by bigkelly on Sept 21, 2014 14:24:26 GMT -5
Getting a 24 for a youth hunter is a terrific idea---but I'd suggest getting a 20 ga gun and buying some chamber mate adapters from cabellas to shot 410 for now--as the youth grows he'll appreciate being able to "move up" to 20 ga--you won't have that option if you go with a 410 gun--even better would be getting a 24V-A in 222/20 (there are adpaters for rim fire cartridges for this also)--that will be a generation gun
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Post by petemi on Oct 6, 2014 8:42:07 GMT -5
I'm sorry guys, but I think you're all wrong. A 24 is too long and heavy for a seven year old, unless he is very large for his age. Also, the length of pull is too long and the recoil in most except the .22/410 is too much. The 7 year olds I know can't handle the .410 part. I often leave my 24 at home in favor of a lighter single shot.....Think about it.
Pete
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Post by blaze on Oct 6, 2014 14:19:42 GMT -5
I will have to agree with petemi on this one. Even my Stevens 22-410 weighs 6 lb 2 oz with its Tenite stock, not a real lightweight. And for a small/young person the recoil of even a 410 is often more than they care for, the 2 1/2 inch 410 maybe. Short, light weight, low recoil, inexpensive is what the early Stevens/Savage (and others) single shot .22's of my youth were rather famous for.
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Post by thehunteriam on Oct 13, 2014 19:10:21 GMT -5
I handled a 42 recently and IMHO they are just plain cheaply made. Recent reviews online seem to support that. I would go with the 24. When your son is much older it is a first gun he will always treasure. My thoughts exactly. Go with quality, I still have my Savage 4C bolt action that was my grandfather's and it is my most prized rifle. The old guns are built like tanks to last.
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