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Post by oldfotoman on Jan 16, 2013 14:22:25 GMT -5
I recently sold my old 24D (22M/410Ga) and purchased a 24P (223M/20Ga).
The gun was described as "like new" and appears to be, but does not have the original box or manual. Serial number is F60xx44. I'm trying to determine the manufacturing date, and any other info I can get would be helpful.
From the Savage website, it looks like it was made after November of 1995, when the company last changed hands, but your site lists F numbers as being1954. I feel sure they did not make a 223/20 back in 1954.
This has the synthetic stock and appears to be a dark gray/blue matte or parkerized type of finish on the rest of the gun. It certainly is completely original, not anything someone has done later.
Any and all help will be appreciated.
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Post by odell23 on Jan 16, 2013 16:03:33 GMT -5
What you have is a Model 24F not 24P. Good luck with date of manufacture as there is no consolidated source for that information, but you can write the Savage Historian and ask for it.
The model 24F appears in the catalog from 1989 through 2007.
The "F" reference you cited for 1954 only deals with those guns without a serial number produced before 1968 and the oval stamping is the size of a grain of barley not the model letter designation.
Everything else you described is typical of that model. Sorry that it's not much info, but it's the best there is right now.
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Post by oldfotoman on Jan 17, 2013 20:18:36 GMT -5
Okay, Thanks. That may be right, but is different than the info I got before purchasing this gun.
All of the info I could obtain prior to buying it referred to this model as a model 24 Predator or 24P. They indicated that the 24F was in 22 over 20 or 410. the predator or P was 222,223, 30/30 over 20 or 12, but most of the 223 over 12 were Turkey or T versions.
Savage indicates that serial #F498821 and later were after November 1995, when the last change of ownership took place, so mine is 100,000 numbers higher than that; but I have no idea how many they made per year.
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Post by odell23 on Jan 18, 2013 10:15:06 GMT -5
And that is precisely why I'm trying to complete a book on them. Everyone intreprets the scant information available from Savage about the Model 24 differently. With 38 guns that are physically marked by different letter designations, it's no wonder why. Not to include undocumentd variations within individual letter designationed models and possible caliber/gauge combinations.
So maybe this will clear it up for you a bit. The model 24F is defined by all the following characteristics: cross-bolt safety in the frame, scroll pattern engraving on both sides of the frame, Dupont Rynite synthetic stock and forend, forend attached by machine screw, and support bars on both sides of the breech.
There were 4 different factory variations of the Model 24F available over the course of their production run: 24F-12T, 24F early style, 24F late style, and 24F four-tenner.
The 24F-12T only appears in the catalogs from 1989-1994. It was only available in 12 gauge and most, if not all, had removable chokes. It was also only ever chambered in either .22 Hornet, .222 Remington, or .223 Remington. It is the easiest to identify because the stock and forend were painted with a unique camo pattern only found on Savages.
Both the 24F early and late styles were known as the Predator regardless of caliber/gauge. The name "Predator" was used off and on throughout its production. The stock and forend were only ever produced in black. The two different styles are differentiated by the scope mounting options. One used drilled and tapped holes on of a platform afixed to the top of the rifle barrel while the other had an L-shaped bracket that mounted to the right side barrel support bar. The early model appears in catalogs from 1989-2000 while the late appears from 2001-2007 at the end of production. The calibers of .17HMR, .22 Hornet, .222 Remington .223 Remington, and .30-30 Winchester were all paired in either 20 or 12 gauge while the .22lr only came in 20 gauge.
The 24F four-tenner is a 24F early style packaged to include a Savage four-tenner adapter. It was only available from 1998-2000.
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Post by oldfotoman on Jan 18, 2013 14:54:46 GMT -5
Thanks. And you are correct of course. In looking at my invoice, it was listed there as a 24P.
But going back and looking at the photos of the ones I was trying to buy, from the same source, I see they were listed as 24F Predator.
The one I bought is as new condition (but no box or papaerwork), with the platform mounted attatched to the top of the barrel being drilled and tapped for a scope mount.
The gentleman I got this from still has 2 more that are still new in the boxes, with all paperwork,and have never been fired. One is identecal to the one I purchased, and one in in 30/30 over 12gauge. They are both designated as 24F Predator on the boxes.
I'm still negotiating with him trying to purchase them both, but being brand new in the boxes, he wants a pretty steep price for them. Maybe it's just me, but if I'm going to pay well over 100% book value for a model 24, I would much rather do it for a "new" older style with the wood stocks.
In going over some of my notes on some of the older ones I've had over the years, I found 2 that I couldn't find listings for in the Blue Book or other books. One was a 24H and one was a 24J. Do those sound right, as a factory designation? My memory sure isn't what it used to be anymore, but I usually wrote these down exactly as they were stamped on the gun.
Thanks again. There is a reason I join forums where there are people who are experts on particular types of firearms; and this is it.
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Post by odell23 on Jan 19, 2013 10:15:31 GMT -5
The Savage 24 is known for a great many things, and confusion is one of them. With the limited info you have provided, there a 2 possibilities for one gun and 2 answers to the other gun.
There are two guns marked with the letter H: the 24H and the 24H-DL.
The 24H is part of the early line of the Savage Model 24 which were characterized with 24" barrels which were brazed together the entire length. They had plain case hardened over high polished frames with no engraving (other than the model), blued barrels, and standard style wood stocks and forends with no checkering. The Models 24, 24A, and 24B all had right side of the frame button barrel selectors while the Models 24E and 24H had the hammer spur selectors. The entire line appears in catalogs from 1950 to 1964. From 1950 to 1960 the Model 24 was only chambered in .22lr over .410. 1961 saw the addition of .22wrm and it was the first long gun ever chambered for this round. In 1962 the Model 24A was released. In 1963 the Model 24B was released. In late 63 the 24E was released with the new hammer spur barrel selector. Then in mid-1964 the 24H was produced and was the last year of production and catalog appearance.
The 24H-DL is part of the De Luxe line which also were characterized with 24" barrels which were brazed together the entire length. They had satin chrome frames (with one exception) with game scene engravings on both sides, blued barrels, gold triggers and fluted Monte Carlo white line buttplate and capped grip wood stocks and forends both with checkering. The Models 24-DL, 24B-DL, and early 24C-DL all had right and left side of the frame button barrel selectors based upon gauge (right for .410 left for 20 gauge. Late Model 24C-DL, 24E-DL, 24H-DL, and 24J-DL had the hammer spur selectors. The entire line appears in catalogs from 1962 to 1968.
The 24J-DL was first produced like every other in the De Luxe line described above. The second year of production it changed to have a satin black frame and no gold trigger, but kept all of the other features.
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