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Post by Chaz on Jul 31, 2015 11:30:42 GMT -5
I picked up an older 22 over 410 a couple years back. I've always been slow on the trigger and waiting for that perfect shot when hunting deer or squirrels or other ground game. I've never liked the recoil of the 12 ga when hunting turkeys or pheasants. I've taken up dove hunting with the 24, and it is now one of my favorite hunts! This is a quick swinging gun, and easy to get on target. Recoil is very mild. Having a single shot does make me pick my shot. I shoot #8 Winchester AA and buy with the $2 rebate. Last year I was hitting better than 50% of the doves I shot at. Sure I didn't go for the ones out on the horizon, and tried to pick locations where they would fly closer to overhead. This has helped me greatly to quickly acquire a target, and to not hesitate on trigger pull. Additionally, I've been able to use the 22 on chipmunks or groundhog pests that wander by. I've sinced picked up a 222 over 20, and a 223 over 12, but keep going for the little 22 over 410.
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Post by jsr5 on Oct 7, 2015 14:16:49 GMT -5
I have used the 410 since I was a kid primarily for rabbit hunting it is plenty of gun for that and doesn't leave you picking excess shot out of your food. it was also fun for starlings around the house and rats in the corn crib. Lately I've gotten on a 24 kick and while all the ones I own are 20 ga I got a four tenner and am looking forward to using it on squirrels most everywhere I have hunted squirrels has been full of red or fox squirrel so a 22 has been the gun of choice but I recently bought property that has few fox and is insted loaded with little greys. Often known as the ghost of the woods the little boogers don't seem to ever stop moving unless in a nest or hole. so while I have managed to pick off a couple with my 22 pistol and a few more with my rifle it has taken a few hunts to get a mess. I fully expect that to change when I hit the woods with the 410. Why not use 20s? again I don't wanna be picking shot out of em for too long. Now I don't think the 410 is for everything. but for rabbit and squirrel and varmints at simillar ranges, Turkey if you can call em in close. Quail if your quick. it is darn near ideal. personally I see no real use for 410 slugs I have some but likely would never use them. I think the little buckshot loads though would make a decent defensive load if somthing better wasn't handy and a better deer solution where that is legal.
That is why I choose and use the 410 a 24 in 22 over 410 is on my wish list just to shave a little more off my woods load but expect the 20 gauge with the adapter to be just fine and if they are staying too far away I can always drop so 6 es in my pocket for the 20 and pull the adapter out. Love that versatility.
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Post by oldnavychief on Oct 10, 2015 20:06:31 GMT -5
I saw the question "why a 410" and just had to register and join in. Like most on this site I've shot shotgun since I was about 10. I'm 65 now. One of several hats worn at my last employer was working with a very high quality shell manufacturer which will remain nameless. Now there's no arguing the superior number of pellets, velocity, range, less expensive shells of the 20 over the 410. Without rambling on and on splitting hairs in the same regard a 12 is superior to a 20. Why are people so foolish as to shoot anything but a 12? I recently bought an early Savage Model 24 in absolutely beautiful condition, because I wanted a classic American small bore shotgun with the added benefits of a 22 LR. I've also had eye retina repairs and if I ever need to shoot the 410 (i.e. eat in an emergency) I want to minimize the recoil shock to my eyes. Sure, the 22 will be used to enjoy this gun from time to time and to take small game in an emergency, and then if no luck with the 22 I would use the 410. You know times would have to be real bad to chance one's eyes. Under worsening conditions I have some 410 slugs and wouldn't hesitate in using them on a deer at archer ranges. Sorry to those who think any archer is humane in propelling a razor tipped stick through any creature's ribs and having it run in pain and fear a quarter or half a foot ball field or miles if a gut shot before it passes out. Archers take a lot of deer and they are only considered humane by the anti-gun people because the arrows don't go boom. So for me, with my condition, besides being a beautiful American classic, the 410 is a survival tool which is least likely to result in blindness. I also believe it's better to teach a youth with a single shot, lower recoil gun and then graduate them to 20 or 12. I've known very manly men who were very sensitive to recoil. Shooting a few clays or cans with a 410, then a 20 or 12 might have better prepared them for success.
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Post by bkhart on Feb 25, 2019 19:43:02 GMT -5
So,4 years later. In keeping with comments about smaller shot loads, etc. I had a neighbor, great guy, smart, an artist with anything mechanical, superb gunsmith, long time hunter. After several seasons of losing his one tree peach crop to the birds, he hid in the bathroom behind the open window with his 22/410. I know you have guessed what comes next, but wait for it. I stopped by the house that night, and Mona was giggling and Tom was no where to be seen. Mona said he was working late in the shop, seems in obssesion of crop protection, apparently he forgot about the shop windows directly behind the peach tree. Tom's gone now, but you can still see the pellet marks on the wall and Mona still laughs to tears whenever it comes up.
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Post by 4570fan on Feb 26, 2019 10:53:41 GMT -5
Don't underestimate the little 410 slugs in side 50 yards. Stick with the heavier 1/4 oz (109 gr) slugs over the 1/5 oz. They are moving along at 1800 fps and hit a deer harder than one would think. I've taken two so far, both DRT kills. A big doe at 25 yards, high shoulder. A spike buck at 35 yards, neck shot. I had my old Mossberg bolt gun drilled and tapped and mounted a red dot. Federal 2-1/2" 1/4 oz and Silver Bear 3" 1/4 slugs grouped the best out of a bunch I tested. Hovering around 2" at 50 yards which is my self imposed limit. On the doe I recovered the slug stuck in the hide on the offside. It still weighed 106 gr.
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Post by krank on Apr 25, 2019 10:28:17 GMT -5
The original .410 in America was the 44/40 shotshell. It was developed for Annie Oakley to shoot exhibition in her Winchester lever gun. I have an old H&R that says .44 shot/.410 on the barrel. In my Grandfathers day it was an economy round. That is laughable today. I reload all kinds of .410 and get a kick out of it. A little kick not a big kick.
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Post by cw on May 21, 2019 5:17:31 GMT -5
For me the 410 is a rifle shotgun. Meaning I shoot it as a rifle, aiming rather then pointing. Its a Squirrel/Rabbit Getter!
I also have a Berretta single barrel that I mounted rifle sites to. That lil gun folds in half and shoots sluge into 2” all day @ 50 yards. Its a 2.5” chamber as its so old. I wish it shot 3” Brenneke. Thats my favorite 410 slug.
My Savage 22/410 shoots theM POA @ 50 I am very lucky regulation is SPOT ON with that one!
Last year I was in a small shop and a 410 Bolt caught my eye. Its a Stevens some such but is IDENTICAL to a 22 LR I have had for ever. So for under 100$ I took it home. I replaced the missing bead front site and shot it. Its safety is fouled up as it will fire with it on or off but if you try to cycle the bolt with it “ON” you need to disassemble it to get it working again. I need to repair so I can shoot it more. As Pole Cat said ITS just FUN! I had visions of scope mounting it. Time will tell.
My only other 410 is a old H&R contoured barrel. Very nice looking gun with that tapered barrel. Would cost a ton to make today! It shoots very well.
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Post by krank on May 21, 2019 8:13:25 GMT -5
I bought a case of those Russian.410 saga slugs cheap. 90 grain saboted with zinc metallic case. I thought they would be sweet for handloading but they are miserable in the die and don't like to size.
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Post by overunder on Dec 6, 2019 14:39:20 GMT -5
I hadn't shot my Stevens .22-.410 in a long time and I took it out to observe the pattern the .410 made. I used an old piece of quarter-inch plywood at about 25-30 feet and the first shot cut the board in half. I was frankly shocked at the power and had a new found respect for the .410.
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Post by vancmike on Dec 16, 2019 15:35:15 GMT -5
I bought a case of those Russian.410 saga slugs cheap. 90 grain saboted with zinc metallic case. I thought they would be sweet for handloading but they are miserable in the die and don't like to size. Did you shoot the Saiga originals in your Mdl 24? I bought a bunch for a brief fling with a AK knockoff in .410. After, had a bunch of shot and slug shells left over. I'm reluctant to shoot the slugs since it mics at .42" and my (vintage '57) Mdl 24 choke is .38". I'd hate to damage my old gun. Incidentally, they'd be miserable to reload since mine are Berdan-primed.
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Post by krank on Dec 16, 2019 19:55:10 GMT -5
Nope...not in an M24. Shot in an M6 springfield and an H&R break open . Don't like the funky zinc metallic case of the ruski ammo. I also warned my Taurus Judge buddies that the stuff likes to stick in the cylinder and that is not good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 19:35:57 GMT -5
Like Polecat, I load my own 410's, and the difference is more than price. I have one of the old Lee Loader 3" 410 kits, and the recommended shot load is 3/4 oz--in other words, a 28 gauge load. That doesn't match up to the 7/8 ounce regular 20 gauge, but it's substantially more than the 2-1/2" 410's 1/2 ounce load. The chrono says my rounds using the Lee measure of 2400 gets me 1190 to 1200 ft/sec, and the Lyman load with 16gr of 2400 gives me about 1230 ft/sec; both hotter than factory 410's. I've loaded up some bismuth shot for puddle-jumping, but haven't had a chance to try it on ducks yet. Taking a hint from another such idiot I loaded some double-ought buck (5 pellets with buffer) that give an interesting pattern for medium game, and the brenekke silver 1/2oz slugs leave the muzzle around 1800 ft/sec, which makes them a heap more effective on deer than just about any pistol round, including 357 mag. If you plan on reloading 3" 410's, I'd recommend buying the Fiocchi hulls from BPI and roll crimping them; they hold more and last longer; also, if you use those, you need Fiocchi primers 'cuz the primer hole's bigger than on regular winnies or cheddites. I've gone to no. 5 shot, 'cuz 6 puts too many holes in a bird if you hit him square out to past 30 yards; the 5's seem to disperse better. I tried those 60gr SSS 22's, but the twist is too slow to stabilize 'em. Your mileage may vary. Anyway, for a 24 or a double badger, your performance creeps up on the 20 gauge by quite a bit--but certainly not all! windy
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Post by krank on Jan 30, 2020 8:29:00 GMT -5
I gave up getting any "magnum performance" out of a .410. Not to say its not possible, I just wasn't interested. I have an old H&R that says "44 shot/.410" on the barrel and a 2 1/2 fits tight(lengthwise). Come to find out the first 410s were like 2 7/16". I made brass shells out of .303 british for that gun. Works fine. You will find that .410s that are not full choke throw a much better pattern.
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Post by vancmike on Feb 25, 2020 14:17:44 GMT -5
Hmmm. 303 Brit converted to 410. Not sure it's that economical, unless one can find a cheap source of used brass. But an interesting idea, nonetheless.
I've mulled over the idea of at least slightly boring out my vintage '24, but don't want to ruin it. There's certainly enough metal to do something. Anyone tried it?
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Post by krank on Feb 26, 2020 9:29:57 GMT -5
I have cut the barrel down on a single barrel to open the choke but do not recommend it on a 24. It could be reamed by an expert.
The cost of 303 brass was zero to me. I did get disappointed when I found some and it was berden primed.
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