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Post by kiwi55 on Aug 23, 2014 4:28:56 GMT -5
Hi everybody! I have been impressed by the depth of knowledge here while browsing. I am finally acquiring my own 24 after lusting after them for quite a while. While I am very likely to keep it in the original as manufactured and simply put it to use now and again, a question does occur to me and I wonder if those who know these lovely guns can answer it for me.
My question is can the rifle barrel successfully be re chambered? .22 LR to .22 Magnum or perhaps at the extreme end to the .22 Hornet? I realise the Hornet is centre fire and this may present firing pin and other issues.
Would be simpler to simply buy one with another rifle cartridge set up I think but the question remains.
Am very happpy to read any opinions!
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Post by colonel3006 on Aug 23, 2014 7:08:09 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum, I think you will like it there are alot of knowledge people on here that can answer your question far better than I can. I have heard of them being rechambered to 22 mag but as for the hornet I don't think the chamber itself could be bored out enough for the cartridge diameter of the hornet. As I said there alot more members here with way more knowledge than myself that could answer your question better.
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Post by cw on Aug 23, 2014 10:08:20 GMT -5
WELCOME!!
Post us some pics!!
CW
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Post by vancmike on Aug 23, 2014 14:01:51 GMT -5
It's not impossible to do what you'd like, but it's expensive, time-consuming and potentially risky. .22 LR rifles and handguns are bored .222", and the bullets are .223" diameter. 22 WMR, .22 Hornet (as well as .222 Rem, .223 Rem, 22-250, etc, etc) are all bored .223" and use .224" bullets (OK, yes, 22 Hornets were bored .222" until 1950 or so). You can shoot 22LR in convertible handguns (Colt and Ruger single action revolvers, for example) since those all have a .223" bore (with only a .001" difference, the 22 LR doesn't exactly rattle down the larger bore, and most owners report good accuracy in both calibers). However, that .001" difference will produce higher pressures when shooting a larger bullet in the smaller barrel, especially if you were to convert to a center-fire cartridge. And Colonel is right: there's not enough metal in the Mdl 24 chamber to bore it all the way out for even the smallest center-fire cartridge. If you want a larger rifle caliber, sell your existing Mdl 24 and buy the one you want. Or, better yet, buy a second....or third...or....!!! Now you're a Mdl 24 collector!
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Post by kiwi55 on Aug 23, 2014 16:31:48 GMT -5
Thanks all great to hear from you! On reflection I think keeping it original will be the best option all round I think. I will have a smithy check it out for me anyway and discuss the .22 Magnum change. Finding another with a different rifle barrel over 20 gauge is a good option for me as time goes by. A collection appeals!
I will post a photo or two once I have the 24 in my hands. That will be a week or two yet as things are going, the present owner (dealer) still has it held for me). It seems to be a pre 1968 as there is no obvious serial number.
These beauties are hard to find in reasonable order here in NZ as it happens. I have looked at several that have had long useful lives and reflect the use unfortunately. Rabbits and Possums are still about in good numbers despite all efforts.
Using a solid slug at times appeals to me and I wonder what the best cartridge would be? All opinions/discussion welcome. I think the 3" No. 6 may be the best as general purpose shot shell for rabbits but am open to ideas.
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Post by vancmike on Aug 24, 2014 16:50:27 GMT -5
See my previous (or maybe I wasn't clear enough). Boring the chamber from 22 LR to 22 WMR (22 Mag) is the easy part. The issue is with the larger-in-diameter 22 WMR bullet. If you made the cartridge change without also increasing the inside-barrel diameter, you will subject your firearm to increased pressures.
Sure, it's only .001"/.04 mm diameter difference, and it may go bang every time....for a while. But it will be at increased risk to you (and any other future owners of the firearm).
Further, you'd have to change the position of the firing pin. 22 LR rims are .278"/7.1 mm in diameter; 22 Mag rims are .294"/7.5 mm wide. Unless you move the firing pin, it will strike the 22 WMR cartridge .016"/.4 mm further towards the center of the rim. Maybe it'll go bang every time, maybe not.* While your gunsmith is moving the firing pin, he could also take the time to bore out the chamber slightly deeper for the thicker .22 WMR rim.
In other words, don't do it. It's expensive, time-consuming and the aggregate value of said proposed conversion is so far from nil it's not even worth discussing.
FWIW, many, many rabbits and possums have been killed with 22 LR (use solid points).
And for those two critters, I doubt you'd find much difference between the performance of 20 gauge 2 1/2" or 3" shells. #6 shot is great for all-round shooting.
*FWIW, my Colt convertible revolver had a 22 LR cylinder and a 22 Mag cylinder. As you know, one changes out the cylinder to make the cartridge change. Colt also says the barrel was bored .223" (i.e., to accommodate the larger 22 Mag bullet). Theoretically, the Mag cartridge should have been more accurate, but I was never able to make it shoot more accurately than the 22 LR. The firing pin was an elongated rectangular in form (not round), so it would hit the two different diameter rims. Apropos of nothing, one summer, my neighbors had a plague of cotton-tails in their vegetable gardens. I loaned the gun to one of my daughters and she went into business as a 'professional' bunny-killer, collecting a nickel for every tail. She could have used the 22 Mag cylinder, but it was noisier, and more expensive to shoot for essentially the same results that she got from the 22 LR. In fact, one sweet dear old lady gave her a box of 22 shorts for their garden so the noise wouldn't be as likely wake her husband during naps.
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Post by kiwi55 on Aug 26, 2014 19:12:09 GMT -5
Thanks Vancmike great detail and sound advice firmly taken on board by this bloke. The closer I get to having this gun at home the more I am interested in keeping it entirely original and yes, sourcing at least 1 more with a more potent calibre rifle barrel on top is the plan. Nostalgia aside there is something infinitely attractive about these guns, the styling and history inn my mind. I will try out a small variety of ammunition in it and post how I find it, spread etc.
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Post by vancmike on Aug 28, 2014 13:06:10 GMT -5
Kiwi, You could do worse than finding a .222 Rem/20 or 222/12. I believe the 222/20 might be the most prolifically-produced cartridge combo and it would be a good choice for lots of NZ smaller game.
I bought a .222/20 (thanks, Big Kelly!) and have been very impressed with the accuracy of the 222, even with the stock sights and my old eyes (well, it held about a bazillion match records for years....some still stand). I reload, and many of the .223 components (except for the brass, of course) are the same, so it was an easy choice.
Hmmm...222/20 for boar. If he keeps coming after the 222, put 'em down with a 20-gauge slug. Fun!
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Post by bigkelly on Aug 28, 2014 17:02:27 GMT -5
au contraire mssr Mike I have had several 22lr savage 24's re-bored to 22mag and have never had an ill effect the great debate about 22lr or 22mag interchangeability (probably not a real word)seems to be about 50-50 split in opinion as to what is good shooting judgement Here's an interesting point of view--From the Dan Wesson factory rep--they make both 22lr and 22mag pistols -- I have both--and they say shooting either round from either barrel is not a factor--surprisingly they make barrels in both bores-- .222(lr) and 22mag (.224) But I do agree-- re-boring a rimfire gun in a centerfire cartridge isn't going to work
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Post by kiwi55 on Sept 22, 2014 19:13:19 GMT -5
Thanks vancmike and bigkelly for the varying opinions. I will leave this one in it's original calibres for posterity. I have the little beauty and will post some photo's when I can. The stock is lighter coloured with some wear/use marking but intact excepting the lower swivel for a strap which shouldn't be too hard to fix. Boar vancmike? I have dropped them in years gone by with a .22 mag. Usually at only 50 to 80 yards/metres with a round behind the shoulder from an angle behind the animal. Quick clean kills with the hog dropping on the spot each time. Most other hogs with dogs and a knife once bailed up.
I will probably have to sort out importing a 222/20 Savage as they are not common here now. Plenty of time to sort that out.
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Post by Rudy on Oct 11, 2014 18:18:31 GMT -5
Just purchase a savage 410-22lr 24S-E #P041083. Can you tell me the year of the rifle?
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Post by kiwi55 on Oct 12, 2014 19:21:35 GMT -5
Hi Rudy, Would have been manufactured after 1968 I think. No serial numbers stamped prior to that. Sign up for the forum and start a new thread asking for info on it's age ? That way you will most probably get more info from a more knowledgeable member. Will be surprised if the guys here don't know!!
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Post by david on Oct 21, 2014 9:33:30 GMT -5
I have the 222/20 model 24v. I DOWNLOAD the 222 to 22 mag velocity.a 45 grain home cast bullet ahead of 8 grains of unique makes for 1600 fps 222.
Works great for me.
22 rimfire around here would be great. Its illegal to carry a centerfire rifle in the woods during deer season.
Shoot the gun, get to know it. I put a receiver sight on mine. Its only sighted in for the lead. I never shoot the 222 jacketed. You should see what a 222 will do to a squirrel.
I did shoot one deer with the 222 back home. 150 yards on a dead run. I hit it in both lungs. It went down with skid marks from the blood in 50 yards. I have had the gun for almost 30 years.
David
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Post by woodsbum on Oct 21, 2014 17:40:27 GMT -5
Sounds interesting! What mold are you using for casting the bullets? Any idea what the lead hardness is that you end up with? Are these gas ck bullets?
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Post by david on Oct 22, 2014 11:25:41 GMT -5
I have a few molds my barrel is kind of big, so I found a mold that will drop them about .228. I then coat them with Lee liquid alox. I add an annealed gas check and load in the case. I have a few 22 molds, this one works best with this rifle. Hardness is wheelweights plus 2% tin give or take a little. I have quit casting and now have a bunch already cast. I am going to try te powder coat method of lube and see how it shoots. The load above shoots about 1" to 1.5" @ 50 yards. Will barely stay on paper at 100. Most shots are around 15 yards, so I don't care. I willnever make a 100 yard shot on a squirrel with iron sights. I was shooting Cast out of my 22-250 a few years ago. I hit 2750 fps, 5.5" group at 300 yards. Target is on the wall in my living room. Bullets were lymans latest 22 caliber mold cast out of pure linotype and gas checked. I gave that up for jacketed in that rifle. It was fun and proves it can be done. Here is the 300 yard target
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