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Post by odell23 on Feb 17, 2015 16:27:02 GMT -5
kjohn,
winkman made a great catch, that description is from the 24C Camper Companion Model and not the 24DL De Luxe Model which is what you have.
The 24C-DL came in 3 configurations. The earlier production guns in chambered in .410 had the button selector on the right while those chambered in 20 gauge had the button selector on the left. The later production 24C-DL had the hammer selector. Of course they all had the 24" full length brazed barrels, matte chrome frames with game scene side panels, and upgraded pressed checkering on wood furniture. They were part of catalog year 1964 but likely rolled out in mid to late 1963.
Hope this helps!
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Post by odell23 on Feb 9, 2015 12:52:31 GMT -5
jsr5,
Your gun will take 3" shells. If memory serves (because I don't have my notebook in front of me) I think only the 24C Campers, 389, and 2400 were the only guns not chambered for 3" shells.
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Post by odell23 on Feb 6, 2015 0:25:05 GMT -5
Yes it is a rebranded Marocchi (sp?). I called them once to get some info and they told me that they no longer have any records for these guns.
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Post by odell23 on Feb 2, 2015 10:23:08 GMT -5
jeffa,
That is quite an oddity you've described. The 24S-E started into production right at the time when it became mandatory to put serial numbers on guns. This doesn't explain the double numbering, but gives you an idea of the time period this gun was made under. Could be they screwed up and had to restamp, but they should have erased the wrong one. As far as the impact on value, I'm not sure it adds anything to it.
Any chance you could send me a picture of the double stamp? I'll leave you my email address in your message box. Thanks!
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Post by odell23 on Jan 30, 2015 15:38:43 GMT -5
Let's see if this helps:
The Savage 24V centerfire line of guns was produced from catalog years 1966 to 1988. There were 5 different guns made over this span and in this order: the 24V, 24V-A, 24V Series B, 24V Series C, and 24V Series D. The 24V was produced from catalog years 1966 through 1968. Then the 24V-A from catalog years 1969 through some time in the early to mid 1970's. It gets really fuzzy in the timeline in the transition from the 24V-A through the 24V Series B and Series C. But the first year of the 24V Series D began in catalog year 1979 and ran through to 1988 when Savage Industries filed for bankruptcy.
One of the easiest identifying characteristics among the 24V line is the how the breech is constructed. The 24V and 24V-A both have the rather unsightly and large monoblock breech. The shape of the monoblock changed slightly with the introduction of the 24V Series B, but was still ugly. By the 24V Series C they had removed the top portion of the monoblock and were able to braze the rifle barrel to the block which still housed the shotgun barrel. The 24V Series D completely eliminated the monoblock all together. The breech area of shotgun barrel was still oversized but it was nicely contoured and now both barrels were able to be brazed to each other without the addition of a monoblock.
I will also mention the 24V and 24V Series D each had 2 variations. The 24V Type I had a screw on ramp front sight separate from the barrel band whereas the Type II had a front sight that was integral with the barrel band. The 24V Series D Type I had the scalloped buttstock to frame shape whereas the Type II had a straight line flush fit buttstock to frame shape.
Since all 24V guns were made as 20 gauges the only variation was in rifle caliber. Here is a list by year of calibers available: 1966-1971: .222 Remington 1972-1978: .222 Remington / .30-30 Winchester 1979: .222 Remington / .30-30 Winchester / .223 Remington / .357 S&W Magnum 1980-1982: .222 Remington / .30-30 Winchester / .223 Remington / .357 S&W Magnum / .22 Hornet 1983: .222 Remington / .30-30 Winchester / .223 Remington / .22 Hornet / .357 Remington Maximum 1984-1988: .222 Remington / .30-30 Winchester / .223 Remington
There is more to this story, but I think this is enough satisfy most for now.
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Post by odell23 on Jan 30, 2015 14:25:01 GMT -5
NEWSAVY,
This is just for your knowledge any anyone else who might read this thread. If your model 24 has no serial number then it was made before October 1968. If it has a serial number then it was after October 1968. There has a been a few people on the board here recently that have confused the serial numbers that start with a letter with the Savage Boss codes stamps of those guns that don't have a serial number.
The 24V Series B the 3rd gun in the 24V line and was only produced for a couple of years in the late 1970's. As far as value, it would depend on things like condition, where in the country you're located, caliber/gauge combination, etc.. But most likely between the $300-$500 range based on other 24V Series B guns sold that I've seen.
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Post by odell23 on Jan 20, 2015 18:59:48 GMT -5
[/quote] Ruger's been doing it forever. [/quote] Point well taken.
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Post by odell23 on Jan 19, 2015 11:13:10 GMT -5
This might be a point of interpretational difference. The company known as Savage Industries Inc. entered into bankruptcy reorganization on February 2, 1988. The 1988 catalog appeared with the Model 24 Field Grade Series S, Model 24 C Series S, and Model 24V Series D. The 1989 catalog has the Model 24F in 12 and 20 and the Model 24F-12T. Both of these catalogs were published under Savage Industries Inc.. Challenger International, Ltd. purchased 4 product lines from Savage Industries Inc.(the Model 110, 24, 72, & 99) on November 1, 1989 and also created the new corporation "Savage Arms, Inc." to carry on the manufacturing and sale of these products. The 1990 catalog produced by Savage Arms, Inc. carries the Model 24F in 12 and 20 and the 24F-12T.
I guess to my line of thought, how does a company introduce a new firearm design and then not build any? That is not to say they didn't focus solely on the 110 for a while, but not for 21 months let alone a year. Remember, we are talking about 24V/F Transition guns in this thread which do not appear anywhere in either Savage's literature and are obviously part of this bankruptcy time period.
I would have to disagree with you about the lack of popularity and profitability of the Model 24 leading up to 1990. Less than a decade earlier, the Model 24 reached a significant milestone and joined an exclusive club when the 1 millionth Model 24 gun was sold. At the start of the Survivalist movement in the mid 80's, Mel Tappan recommended it highly in his book "Survival Weapons" as he owned one personally. Also most states allowed the use of centerfire or rimfire cartridges as a legal method of take for turkeys.
Now I would agree that beginning after the release of the Model 24F and 24F-12T the popularity and profitability declined markedly for several reasons. First the additional weight of the 24F over the 24V was undesirable. Also the crossbolt safety was seen as unnecessary for a rebounding hammer. Second, state wildlife agencies began to eliminate rifle cartridges as a legal method of take for turkeys. They also began enacting laws prohibiting carrying a rifle during shotgun only seasons for turkey and deer effectively banning the use Model 24 completely for these hunts. I don't believe Challenger International would have purchased and continued to produce the Model 24 line if interest prior to the sale was that low.
You are correct that the 24F was not called the Predator in the early years. That moniker didn't begin until the 1995 catalog. It has just been easier to refer to the entire production of the 24F as the Predator because nothing was different about those earlier guns and those starting in 1995.
And the .22lr did make a comeback in the 24F line for the 1991 catalog.
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Post by odell23 on Jan 15, 2015 14:21:42 GMT -5
Here are pictures of a Type I for a comparison. You can see the 24V frame and 24F barrels.
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Post by odell23 on Jan 15, 2015 13:56:25 GMT -5
winkman is very close in assessment of when the transition happened. The model 24 never when out of production though, even during the bankruptcy. The line of guns was paired down, but the model 24 was one of their best money makers. The line of 24V guns ended in 1988 and the 24F began in 1989. But the transitional guns spanned both of those years due to left over 24V parts and contracts and the new design of the 24F with a crossbolt safety and new barrels.
I've identified 3 distinct types of 24V/F Transitions, and there certainly could be more.
Type I - The first has a 24V frame (no crossbolt saftey), a 24F barrel set, and wood furniture where the forearm is held in place by a machine screw. It has a game scene engraving with a fox on the left side and a grouse on the right. (This is very unusual as the right side game scene of all other model 24's is a turkey) It is marked of the left side of the rifle barrel with "24V".
Type II - (As picture above) This has a 24F frame and barrel set with wood funiture where the forearm is held in place by a machine screw. It has the 24F scroll engraving on both the right and the left. It is marked on the left side of the rifle barrel with "24".
Type III - This has the 24F frame and barrel set with the camo pattern Rynite furniture. It has the 24F scroll engraving on both the right and the left. It is marked on the left side of the rifle barrel with "24V".
To answer Cas question, all of the 24F with the black Rynite furniture are known as the "Predator" guns. Those with the camo painted Rynite furniture are the 24F-12T Turkey guns.
Hope this helps.
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Post by odell23 on Jan 13, 2015 18:43:18 GMT -5
wsudad,
Prior to the late 1970's the only owners/user manuals for the Savage Model 24 was the information printed on the hang tags. For your 1951, these were pretty basic directions for assembly and disassembly. Also I can assure you the Model 24 does appear in every retail catalog Savage produced from 1950 through 2007. The only year it doesn't is 1987 because no catalog was published. Hope this information helps.
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Post by odell23 on May 16, 2014 17:22:03 GMT -5
Rich, Every 24 forend comes off. Put the butt of the stock on the ground so that the barrels are pointing straight up in the air. Hold the barrels in one hand and grasp the upper most portion of the forend with the other hand. Pull the forend away from the barrels. Then you find open the action and separate the barrels from the frame. The only diiferent one was the 24F which had the forend attached by a machine screw.
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Post by odell23 on May 1, 2014 9:04:55 GMT -5
In general, there isn't a whole lot of differences in the 24 Field Grade between the Series M, N, and P. The greatest distinction is between those three and the Series S which has the sliding block barrel release in front of the trigger guard versus the original tang mounted top snap lever.
The Field Grade guns were a continuation of an economical line of combo guns for Savage. They were produced during the same period as the 24D Deluxe, 24C Camper, 24V Centerfire, 24V & 24C Survival, 2400, and the start of the 389. That being catalog years 1972 through 1988. The Series M was only produced for 1 year, while the Series N and Series P were made for about 3-4 years each. The Series S enjoyed the longest production run which was 8 years. Only the 24V Centerfire and 24C Camper lines had longer production runs than the 24 Field Grade. The first guns started selling for $66.95 while the last ones sold for just over $200.
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Post by odell23 on Apr 29, 2014 22:50:25 GMT -5
Thanks RJ!
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Post by odell23 on Apr 28, 2014 22:20:55 GMT -5
hardracer,
Thank you for the kind words. I just hope I can get all this information down on paper and in book form before I start to forget it!
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